质疑商家 hustnorge 的UMBRO SNS FIFA APPROVED"比赛版足球"

hustnorge

引用第484楼psdbrgts于2007-10-12 18:35发表的  :


您的店里还是颇有一些应当是正品的球，这个 SNS 的球未必不在其中，何况您每次一提拆球就要拆这个，恐怕您对这球还是有一定信心的。

既然表面的印刷您觉得不是那么容易比较，那么我暂接受有可能是印刷不同的说法，但不等于我承认这个球是正品，这个球的问题留待稍后解决。
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可以呀，你看来承认了，首先先给我道歉吧，或者说给SNS那个球道个谦。标题改一下，我的比赛版足球很多。你现在暂时锁定在UMBRO X3 SENSOR了对吧？

我的这个逻辑有无问题？我提的你道歉的要求是否过分？

我再重提，你说X3 SENSOR是假货可能性存在，也就是你不认为他是次品对吧，如果印的是1就一定是假货，我的这个推断你来告诉我是否正确？

如果成立，我请求你给出我专卖产品同款证明，证明专卖产品同样的球印的是I，不是1，那么先确定这个差别存在，再来实物比较真假。

你现在还是停留在推测，猜测上！没有一点有实力的证据。

hustnorge

引用第489楼hzc1111马甲于2007-10-12 18:42发表的  :



刚好前两天在网站上找东西看见的
呵呵，SKY兄弟话讲得太绝对了哦

申请斑竹删此贴，话题以外涉嫌灌水！

amaotongzhi

引用第482楼psdbrgts于2007-10-12 18:30发表的  :


请您注意理解，所有 FIFA Approved 标识下面的编号都是以字母结尾的，所以1结尾的必然不是正品。

即便那个1是所谓的“I 字母印错了”，那也会和 X-Ball SNS 的编号相冲突，我上那张图片是证明这一点，而不是比较两个球。
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我不确认所有都是以字母结尾~~但是正在查相关资料~~一下一些测试标准~~和联系人~~~
我想如果实在找不到我就打电话去问了~~~~

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TEST CRITERIA FOR OUTDOOR FOOTBALLS

There are two levels of criteria for the three designations. The requirements for the category FIFA INSPECTED or the technically equal IMS International Matchball Standard and for the superior category FIFA APPROVED, with higher test levels, are:

Property Ball Size 5 Ball Size 4 Specifications

APPROVED
INSPECTED
INSPECTED


Weight
420 - 445 grams
410 - 450 grams
350 - 390 grams
ball pressure: 0.8 bar

Circumference
68.5 - 69.5 cm
68.0 - 70.0 cm
63.5 - 66.0 cm
ball pressure: 0.8 bar

Sphericity
maximum 1.5 %
maximum 2 %
maximum 2 %
ball pressure: 0.8 bar (deviation of the measured mean value)

Loss of Pressure
20 %
25 %
25 %
ball pressure: 1.0
bar at the start of the test Maximum loss of air after 72 hour

Water Absorption
average water uptake of the initial weight of the tested balls: 10% maximum
water uptake perball not to exceed 15%
average water uptake of the initial weight of the tested balls: 15% maximum water uptake per ball not to exceed 20%
average water uptake of the initial weight of the tested balls: 15% maximum
water uptake per ball not to exceed 20%
ball pressure: 0.8 bar
tank filled with water 2 cm in depth. 250 compressing downs with constant ball rotation, ball deformation maximum 25%

Rebound
at 20°C

Rebound
at 5°C




135 - 155 cm

minimum 125 cm

maximum difference between lowest and highest rebound per ball : 10 cm

125 - 155 cm

minimum 115 cm

maximum difference between lowest and highest rebound per ball : 10 cm

115 - 155 cm

minimum 115 cm

maximum difference between lowest and highest rebound per ball : 10 cm

ball pressure: 0.8 bar
Each ball being dropped 10 times onto different panels from a height of 2 meters onto a steel panel.


Shape and Size Retention - including change of pressure



Increase in circumference


Deviation on sphericity


Change of pressure

Measured after 2,000 kicks-seams and air-valve undamaged

maximum 1.5 cm
maximum 1.5%
maximum 0.1 bar



ball pressure: 0.8 bar
shooting onto a steel panel at approx. 50 km per hour shooting length:
2.5 metres



Tests will be conducted at room temperature of approximately 20°C and 65% humidity.
Exception - rebound measured at 20°C and 5°C.

TEST CRITERIA FOR FUTSAL BALLS



There are two levels of criteria for the three designations. The requirements for the category FIFA INSPECTED or the technically equal IMS International Matchball Standard and for the superior category FIFA APPROVED, with higher test levels, are:

Property APPROVED INSPECTED Specifications
Weight
410 - 430 grams
400 - 440grams
ball pressure 0.6 bar

Circumference
62.5 - 63.5 cm
62.0 - 64.0 cm
ball pressure 0.6 bar

Sphericity
maximum 1.5%
maximum 2%
ball pressure 0.6 bar

Loss of Pressure
maximum 20%
maximum 25%
ball pressure: 0.6 bar
maximum loss of air after 72 hours

Rebound
55 - 65 cm
50 - 65 cm
ball pressure: 0.6 bar
dropped from a height of 2m on to a wooden floor

Balance
maximum 5°
maximum 7.5°
ball pressure: 0.6 bar
ball being rolled down an inclined slope on to a table with predetermined rolling direction / angle deviation of rolling direction is measured

Shape and Size
Retention Test
Increase in
circumference


Deviation on
sphericity


Change of
pressure


measured after 2,000 kicks - seams and air-valve undamaged

maximum 1.0 cm

maximum 1.5%

maximum 0.1 bar


ball pressure: 0.6 bar

shooting on to a steel panel with approx. 50 km/h
shooting length 2.5m






Tests will be conducted at room temperature (approx. 20°C) and 65% humidity

TEST CRITERIA FOR BEACH SOCCER BALLS



There are two levels of criteria for the three designations. The requirements for the category FIFA INSPECTED or the technically equal IMS International Matchball Standard and for the superior category FIFA APPROVED, with higher test levels, are:

(Ball pressure : mean value of indicated pressure range between 0.375 - 0.8 bar)

Property APPROVED INSPECTED Specifications
Circumference
400 - 440 grams 400 - 440grams
ball pressure: mean value

Weight
68 - 70 cm 68 - 70 cm
ball pressure: mean value

Sphericity
max. 2% max. 2%
ball pressure: mean value(deviation of the measured mean value)

Loss of Pressure
max. 25 % max. 25 %
ball pressure: mean value at the start of the test
max. loss of air after3 days (72h)

Rebound
100 - 150 cm 100 - 150 cm
ball pressure: mean value
each ball being dropped from a height of 2 meters onto a wooden floor

Water Absorption
max. 15 % max. 15 %
ball pressure: mean value
2cm water depth, 250 compressions with constant ball rotation, ball deformation maximum 10%

Shape and Size
Retention Test
including change
of pressure
Increase in
circumference


Deviation on
sphericity


Change of
pressure

Measured after 1000 kicks seams and air-valve undamaged

max. 1.5 cm


max. 2 %

max. 0.1 bar


ball pressure: mean value

shooting onto a steel panel at approx. 50 km/h
shooting length: 2.50 m






Tests will be conducted at room temperature (approx. 20°C) and 65% humidity.

Selected Testing Laboratories

'FIFA APPROVED' and 'FIFA INSPECTED'

The testing under the licensing programme is performed exclusively by EMPA, the Swiss Federal Test Laboratory, which operates as an independent test laboratory appointed by FIFA:

EMPA
Eidgenössische Materialprüfungs- und Forschungsanstalt
Lerchenfeldstrasse 5
9014 St. Gallen Telephone: +41-71-274 74 74
SWITZERLAND Fax: +41-71-274 74 99


Contact: Mr. Walter Bolli



'IMS - International Matchball Standard'

The following six test institutes have been selected by FIFA and are entitled to perform the testing according to the requirements for 'International Matchball Standard':

LGA
Landesgewerbeanstalt Bayern
Tillystrasse 2
Postfach 3022
90431 Nürnberg Telephone: +49-911-655 50
GERMANY Fax: +49-911-655 5843

Direct: +49-911-655 5878
Contact: Mr. Rolf Ohlsen


PFI
Prüf- und Forschungsinstitut
Pirmasens e.V.
Marie-Curie-Straße 19
66953 Primasens Telephone: +49 6331 24900
GERMANY Fax: +49 6331 249060

E-mail: nick@pfi-ps.de
Contact: Dr. Gerhard Nickolaus


C.T.C.
Centre Technique Cuir
Chaussure Maroquinerie
4, rue Hermann Frenkel
69367 Lyon Cedex 07 Telephone: +33-4 7276-1010
FRANCE Fax: +33-4 7276-1000

E-mail: jccannot@ctc.fr
Contact: Mr. Jean-Claude Cannot


CSI Spa
Certification for Safety Institute
Viale Lombardie n. 20
20021 Bollate (Milano) Telephone: +39-02 383-301
ITALY Fax: +39-02 3833-0288

Direct: +39-02 3833-0268

E-mail: gfrancocorazza@csi-spa.com
Contact: Dr. Gianfranco Corazza


SGS United Kingdom Limited
Oakwood House - City Road
Bradford
Alperton
W. Yorkshire, BD8 8JY Telephone: +44-1274 760 413
GREAT BRITAIN Fax: +44-1274 760 418

E-mail: alan_ross@sgs.com
Contact: Mr. Alan Ross


SGS Tecnos S.A.
C/Trespaderne 29
28042 Madrid Telephone: +34-91 313-8000
SPAIN Fax: +34-91 313-8160

E-mail: jose_ciria@sgsgroup.com
Contact: Mr. José Ciria


(FIFA.com)
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amaotongzhi

引用第492楼psdbrgts于2007-10-12 18:45发表的  :


Paul 已经说明了，同一系列采用同样技术同样材料的球的编号是相同的，比如您店里的那几个14块皮的 +Teamgeist。这两个球也同样都是 +Teamgeist 的 Replica ball, 编号相同是合理而且正常的。

而 umbro 的 SNS 和 x iii sensor 绝非同一系列，制造技术也不相同，怎可能有相同的 FIFA Approved 编号？

他说就是吗？我说这球是真的为什么不信呢？你现在的问题就使以讹传讹~~~
这样是不可取得~~~

hzc1111马甲

引用第491楼hustnorge于2007-10-12 18:44发表的  :


申请斑竹删此贴，话题以外涉嫌灌水！

哈哈
我怎么就灌水了？
马甲要混分也用不着在您这灌啊
暴露您的货源还是怎么了的？
没关系，港币49而已
算上来回的运费还是您的77划得来啊
大陆专卖66的基本已经没有咯

key55

50页了...
这个帖子太庞大了...
而且越来越专业了，干脆H和LZ给大家来个关于比赛球知识的讲座吧~

hustnorge

引用第487楼psdbrgts于2007-10-12 18:37发表的  :


您觉得任何人都没有见过那两种专卖球可能成为球是正品的证据么？

我想起一个笑话，一个人拿着一张十五元面值的纸币买了根冰棍，人家找他两张七块的。

请大家评断，我什么时候说过没人见过那两款，我就觉得我卖的是正品了？你有没有逻辑？我什么时候用这个当依据？

如果你认为不用找实物就判定我的球是假的，我已经说了，没有任何参照物你说我的是假的你就是在这里胡说八道了。

什么事情都是有依据，你找SNS的球我承认你有依据，你找其他的两款我认为你只有猜测，没有依据！我要依据，证据，实物！明白否？

hustnorge

引用第492楼psdbrgts于2007-10-12 18:45发表的  :


Paul 已经说明了，同一系列采用同样技术同样材料的球的编号是相同的，比如您店里的那几个14块皮的 +Teamgeist。这两个球也同样都是 +Teamgeist 的 Replica ball, 编号相同是合理而且正常的。

而 umbro 的 SNS 和 x iii sensor 绝非同一系列，制造技术也不相同，怎可能有相同的 FIFA Approved 编号？

你是否承认你这一说法属于官方说法？你是否认同你这一句话也是猜测？

如果是，请把FIFA官方联接对这个的英文描述发给我。如果不是，闭嘴！找证据！